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	<title>Comments on: Supreme Court to Hear Same-Sex Marriage Arguments</title>
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		<title>By: ACR</title>
		<link>http://ctlocalpolitics.net//2007/05/14/supreme-court-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-8857</link>
		<dc:creator>ACR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 11:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&lt;I&gt;This new constitution was the 1638 Fundamental Orders&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, The Fundamental Orders were originally a 7 page sermon (5 of which survive) by Thomas Hooker himself on Pentacost Sunday, 1638; but not codified until the next year.

Just a minor point.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.constitution.org/bcp/fo_1639.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.constitution.org/bcp/fo_1639.htm&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;<i>This new constitution was the 1638 Fundamental Orders</i></p>
<p>Actually, The Fundamental Orders were originally a 7 page sermon (5 of which survive) by Thomas Hooker himself on Pentacost Sunday, 1638; but not codified until the next year.</p>
<p>Just a minor point.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.constitution.org/bcp/fo_1639.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.constitution.org/bcp/fo_1639.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
		<link>http://ctlocalpolitics.net//2007/05/14/supreme-court-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-8839</link>
		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 01:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish more justices had asked questions. It seemed that the whole argument was dominated by Justices Borden and Palmer and Judge Harper.

Anyway, it certainly was interesting. Justice Borden&#039;s questions about the civil union law and its relationship to any decision by the Court were certainly instructive.

My best guess is that they deny the appeal and leave it up to the legislature. I have been wrong, however, on many occasions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish more justices had asked questions. It seemed that the whole argument was dominated by Justices Borden and Palmer and Judge Harper.</p>
<p>Anyway, it certainly was interesting. Justice Borden&#8217;s questions about the civil union law and its relationship to any decision by the Court were certainly instructive.</p>
<p>My best guess is that they deny the appeal and leave it up to the legislature. I have been wrong, however, on many occasions.</p>
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		<title>By: thesea</title>
		<link>http://ctlocalpolitics.net//2007/05/14/supreme-court-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-8837</link>
		<dc:creator>thesea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 00:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good observations, WSCoughlin.</description>
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		<title>By: WSCoughin</title>
		<link>http://ctlocalpolitics.net//2007/05/14/supreme-court-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-8833</link>
		<dc:creator>WSCoughin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 00:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended the oral argument today.   I was struck by the front wall mural that reaches nearly to the 35 foot high ceiling.  The mural dominates the front of the courtroom.  It depicts early settlers in a semi-circle with one of them, John Haynes, holding a copy of a new constitution in his hands.

This new constitution was the 1638 Fundamental Orders.  Our civil marriage law looks back to these Fundamental Orders as they provided secular civil control of marriage to our government, not the church.  Only later did Connecticut &quot;deputize&quot; clergy to allow them to act as agents of the state in officiating at marriage ceremonies.  This history is recounted in the 1905 Connecticut case of Gould v. Gould.

At the top of this mural there appears to be shining light.  I wondered whether the light from the mural might enter the minds of the justices as they wrestled with the marriage equality issue.

I have attended numerous hearings at the Legislative Office Building and the New Haven Superior Court arguments in the Kerrigan case.  I could recognize a large majority of court watchers today as either media or supporters of marriage equality. 

I suspect that the court will deliver both a majority decision and a dissenting minority decision.  That being the case, my educated estimate is that the decision will not arrive until sometime in 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended the oral argument today.   I was struck by the front wall mural that reaches nearly to the 35 foot high ceiling.  The mural dominates the front of the courtroom.  It depicts early settlers in a semi-circle with one of them, John Haynes, holding a copy of a new constitution in his hands.</p>
<p>This new constitution was the 1638 Fundamental Orders.  Our civil marriage law looks back to these Fundamental Orders as they provided secular civil control of marriage to our government, not the church.  Only later did Connecticut &#8220;deputize&#8221; clergy to allow them to act as agents of the state in officiating at marriage ceremonies.  This history is recounted in the 1905 Connecticut case of Gould v. Gould.</p>
<p>At the top of this mural there appears to be shining light.  I wondered whether the light from the mural might enter the minds of the justices as they wrestled with the marriage equality issue.</p>
<p>I have attended numerous hearings at the Legislative Office Building and the New Haven Superior Court arguments in the Kerrigan case.  I could recognize a large majority of court watchers today as either media or supporters of marriage equality. </p>
<p>I suspect that the court will deliver both a majority decision and a dissenting minority decision.  That being the case, my educated estimate is that the decision will not arrive until sometime in 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: theeble</title>
		<link>http://ctlocalpolitics.net//2007/05/14/supreme-court-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-8798</link>
		<dc:creator>theeble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 19:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GLAD also live blogged the event  http://blog.glad.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GLAD also live blogged the event  <a href="http://blog.glad.org/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.glad.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Genghis Conn</title>
		<link>http://ctlocalpolitics.net//2007/05/14/supreme-court-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-8786</link>
		<dc:creator>Genghis Conn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 19:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-ap-marriagelawsuit-0514,0,6664220.story?coll=hc-big-headlines-breaking&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;summary of the arguments&lt;/a&gt; from the &lt;i&gt;Courant&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the <a href="http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-ap-marriagelawsuit-0514,0,6664220.story?coll=hc-big-headlines-breaking" rel="nofollow">summary of the arguments</a> from the <i>Courant</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Genghis Conn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Genghis Conn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 18:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ll know the decision later this year. I don&#039;t know the exact date. It usually seems to take 3-4 months...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll know the decision later this year. I don&#8217;t know the exact date. It usually seems to take 3-4 months&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fresh</title>
		<link>http://ctlocalpolitics.net//2007/05/14/supreme-court-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-8780</link>
		<dc:creator>fresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 17:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...my high school teachers were boring, but that did not mean it was a crisis.  I thought the arguments after the recess were boring.  When is this decision going to be released?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;my high school teachers were boring, but that did not mean it was a crisis.  I thought the arguments after the recess were boring.  When is this decision going to be released?</p>
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		<title>By: Genghis Conn</title>
		<link>http://ctlocalpolitics.net//2007/05/14/supreme-court-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-8773</link>
		<dc:creator>Genghis Conn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, that was the &quot;boringness&quot; crisis. Which is now solved!

Borden has been on camera quite a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that was the &#8220;boringness&#8221; crisis. Which is now solved!</p>
<p>Borden has been on camera quite a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: fresh</title>
		<link>http://ctlocalpolitics.net//2007/05/14/supreme-court-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-8771</link>
		<dc:creator>fresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it’s definitely a lot less boring to watch when they have these multiple camera angles&quot;

...so the &quot;openness&quot; crisis in ct was over camera angles?  

...Does anyone have a feel on which justices will vote which way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it’s definitely a lot less boring to watch when they have these multiple camera angles&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;so the &#8220;openness&#8221; crisis in ct was over camera angles?  </p>
<p>&#8230;Does anyone have a feel on which justices will vote which way?</p>
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		<title>By: Genghis Conn</title>
		<link>http://ctlocalpolitics.net//2007/05/14/supreme-court-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-8769</link>
		<dc:creator>Genghis Conn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, it&#039;s pretty interesting to watch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, it&#8217;s pretty interesting to watch!</p>
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		<title>By: theeble</title>
		<link>http://ctlocalpolitics.net//2007/05/14/supreme-court-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-8767</link>
		<dc:creator>theeble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s definitely a lot less boring to watch when they have these multiple camera angles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s definitely a lot less boring to watch when they have these multiple camera angles</p>
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		<title>By: fresh</title>
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		<dc:creator>fresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...very interesting oral argument...good lawyers for both sides...i could see why borden wanted cameras in the courtroom; im getting the impression he really loves and knows the cameras are on</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;very interesting oral argument&#8230;good lawyers for both sides&#8230;i could see why borden wanted cameras in the courtroom; im getting the impression he really loves and knows the cameras are on</p>
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		<title>By: theeble</title>
		<link>http://ctlocalpolitics.net//2007/05/14/supreme-court-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-8757</link>
		<dc:creator>theeble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 14:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hearing is being broadcast live on CTN right now.

It&#039;s the first case ever where CTN is allowed to use multiple cameras and are able to zoom in close.  It&#039;s much better to watch than that stationary camera all of the way at the back of the room where you couldn&#039;t even tell who was speaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hearing is being broadcast live on CTN right now.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the first case ever where CTN is allowed to use multiple cameras and are able to zoom in close.  It&#8217;s much better to watch than that stationary camera all of the way at the back of the room where you couldn&#8217;t even tell who was speaking.</p>
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		<title>By: sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 13:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Supreme Court recognizes same-sex marriage, the debate is over. If they don&#039;t I would expect Lawlor &amp; McDonald would call for a vote next session and force the Democratic majority to do the right thing in an election year. I do believe the votes are there but think Lawlor &amp; McDonald after some pleading let their colleagues off the hook pending a Supreme Court ruling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Supreme Court recognizes same-sex marriage, the debate is over. If they don&#8217;t I would expect Lawlor &amp; McDonald would call for a vote next session and force the Democratic majority to do the right thing in an election year. I do believe the votes are there but think Lawlor &amp; McDonald after some pleading let their colleagues off the hook pending a Supreme Court ruling.</p>
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