Back in August a few local and national blogs wondered who would win if the CT Senate race were it held again now. Well, Daily Kos commissioned a poll from Independent pollster Research 2000 and as many of us have speculated, there is some buyer’s remorse here in CT. Full details of the poll can be found here. Be sure to take a look at the poll’s methodology before you cry bias.
Research 2000 for Daily Kos. 9/10-12. Likely voters. MoE 4% (No trend lines)
For whom did you vote for in the 2006 race for U.S. Senate, Ned Lamont, the Democrat, Alan Schlesinger, the Republican, or Joe Lieberman, an Independent?
Lieberman Lamont Schlesinger
All 49 42 9Dem 34 62 4
Rep 67 10 23Ind 53 41 6
If you could vote again for U.S. Senate, would you vote for Ned Lamont, the Democrat, Alan Schlesinger, the Republican, or Joe Lieberman, an Independent?
Lieberman Lamont Schlesinger
All 40 48 10Dem 25 72 3
Rep 69 7 24Ind 38 49 9
Lieberman won 50-40-10 in 2006, so the poll tracks closely. But even if you account for a slight Lamont bias, it still looks like buyer’s remorse.
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I’m really surprised Schlesinger doesn’t fare better in the rematch. I know I’d cast my vote for him. I can’t believe that Joe picks up Republican support. Even the most conservative ones you’ll find can recognize when something isn’t quite right. Lieberman’s failures since being elected aren’t just betraying the Democrats (They betrayed him first), but betraying common sense. I really expected this to show much stronger numbers for Schlesinger.
Whats the punch line? Joe is and still will be our Senator for another 1800+ days. Get use to it.
The punch line is that Republicans still embrace Bush’s failed nation-building experiment, as well as fools like Lieberman who still support our occupation of Iraq.
Oh well, 2008 will be another great victory for Democrats. The only thing that bothers me is the additional cost, not in money, but to the families of tens of thousands Americans.
TBCT – you said it, the 2008 race is the Democrat’s race to lose.
The breakdown indicates that Lieberman is just another GOP partisan polarizer – he’s down among everyone except Republicans.
Chris Caruso would beat Finch if the primary was…..
What, it’s so awful to point out that Lieberman has gotten so whacky he’d now lose to Lamont?
Honestly, Revoltin’ Joe has become a cartoon character!
[quote post="964"]What, it’s so awful to point out that Lieberman has gotten so whacky he’d now lose to Lamont?[/quote]
That IS whacky!!
Seriously, that’s pretty sad. I’m disappointed in him.
>> is the additional cost, not in money, but to the families of tens of thousands Americans
Your concern is truely heart warming……so for the 2nd time in as a many days; what have you done for these people?
[quote post="964"]Your concern is truely heart warming……so for the 2nd time in as a many days; what have you done for these people?[/quote]
there was once a guy who went for a walk down to the river with a friend. all of a sudden, they hear someone in the river crying out for help. the man jumped in, and saved the drowning man’s life.
a couple minutes later, the same thing happens. he sees someone drowning, jumps in, saves them. then another person. and another.
he notices his friend is walking back to him from upriver, and starts bragging to his friend about how many people he’s helped. “So where were you? why weren’t you helping?”
his friend says “i decided to go upriver, and stop the people from falling in the river to begin with.”
sure, the drowning people need help, but it’d be nice to keep them out of that situation in the first place.
(The events and characters depicted in this story are fictitious. Any similarity to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.)
Poll: Superman would beat Batman.
It’s about as relevant as this argument, folks. The thing is, the election happened last year. It was in all the papers. Move on.
>>…but it’d be nice to keep them out of that situation in the first place.
Absolutely we must immediately pull out of Iraq, so Iran and other affiliated terrorists can get back to work without our interference!
To hell with humanity and the women & children too!
In the words of the famous humanitarian Kos; “screw them!”
The only goal is to embarass Bush and those damned “neo-cons”.
If Lieberman was up for re-election this year this would mean something but he is not.
Rowland would beat Curry (again) if the election were held today.
[quote comment="19101"]What, it’s so awful to point out that Lieberman has gotten so whacky he’d now lose to Lamont?
Honestly, Revoltin’ Joe has become a cartoon character![/quote]
God forbid a man stick to his guns on something he believes in.
Hey, TrueBlue, when was the last time you supported a candidate who actually won something?
[quote comment="19109"]Rowland would beat Curry (again) if the election were held today.[/quote]
Without question. I think even Bill knows this.
[quote post="964"]God forbid a man stick to his guns on something he believes in.[/quote]
Except apparently when he’s campaigning.
This ranks right up there with the “scientific” (not) polls on CTLP for relevance.
If I was running against CTKeith I might beat him, too. Who cares?
Ned was a darling. He got spanked. He’s done. He’s as relevant as Wavy Gravy, for all the pissing and moaning of the left.
Meanwhile, those of us in the real world are trying to figure out just where we go from here … and how we get there, given that the two political parties in this country seem intent on (1) ignoring everything the general said or (2) investing our blood and treasure in Iraq come hell or high water.
All I want is some sort of sensible resolution that leaves the Iraqis in a defensible democracy and the Middle East in some sense that 13th century barbarism might – just might – not be the best solution to modern anomie.
By the way, let me send this unambiguous message to Osama: Please feel free to behead me for saying so. (Notice how I refrained from adding, “you shithead.”)
[quote comment="19109"]Rowland would beat Curry (again) if the election were held today.[/quote]
Ella Grasso would beat him, too.
You’re right… DailyKos commissioned this poll, so you KNOW it’s both objective and accurate.
>>By the way, let me send this unambiguous message to Osama: Please feel free to behead me for saying so. (Notice how I refrained from adding, “you shithead.”)
Once we (finally) capture that guy we could auction off the firing squad slots for probably 1o – 20 million a shot (to coin a phrase).
[quote post="964"]Poll: Superman would beat Batman[/quote]
That’s not true. You KNOW that Batman isn’t even running this year! And Green Lantern WILL beat Superman, unless of course Zan and Jayna decide to run as independents… in which case, all bets are off.
Thanks for deleting my comment…not sure what I said that was so offensive.
OT: Dodd was on Conan O’Brien tonight. It was one of the most impressive few minutes I’ve ever seen from a presidential candidate. He’s the man for the job.
CGG,
All “polls” are based on defined mathematical formularies that quantify margins of error and allow them to qualify as statistical “polls”.
However, they all seem to come up (slightly!) different based on who’s paying for them. I’m sure your a frequent visitor to http://www.realclearpolitics.com.
Please do not try to defend a “poll” commissioned by kos as a statistical standard (ignoring the fact that its a ridiculous & untested question methodology).
[quote comment="19120"]CGG,
All “polls” are based on defined mathematical formularies that quantify margins of error and allow them to qualify as statistical “polls”.
However, they all seem to come up (slightly!) different based on who’s paying for them. I’m sure your a frequent visitor to http://www.realclearpolitics.com.
Please do not try to defend a “poll” commissioned by kos as a statistical standard (ignoring the fact that its a ridiculous & untested question methodology).[/quote]
Point well taken.
let me get this straight Daily Kos commissioned this poll and appeared in a Lamont ad last year. REAL OBJECTIVITY!
nobody cares about ned lamont anymore… N-O-B-O-D-Y
The fact that this poll was done and is highlighted as newsworthy here is exactly why future “Lamonts” will continue to lose. (Need to point out that I was a Lamont supporter).
The battle is over, move on or lose the war.
Here’s a novel idea – MoveOn!
There is only so much personal, activist, and political energy a body can give – it is being wasted on things like this. “See, we were right!” means NOTHING!!! Focus your energies elsewhere. Whoever commissioned this poll wasted their money. Keep on preaching to that choir, but remember they can’t sing any louder.
In campaigns, there is only one thing you are guaranteed to run out of – time.
I liken this poll to one that may be found in People Magazine about whether or not Americans prefer Paris Hilton over Nicole Ritchie.
[quote post="964"]Meanwhile, those of us in the real world are trying to figure out just where we go from here … and how we get there, given that the two political parties in this country seem intent on (1) ignoring everything the general said or (2) investing our blood and treasure in Iraq come hell or high water.[/quote]
The guy that decides “where we go from here” is Bush with limited control by the Congress as per the Constitution. Maybe Bush should listen to the General who talked about the military mission while making clear the solution can only be political – just like every General before him BTW.
BTW folks: if the CT GOP had half a brain between them they’d look at the poll and see that Lieberman is less and less liked and respected in CT every day. They should be waging a campaign against the idiot who is to the right of many GOP US Senators on Iraq while his wife is sucking in big bucks as a no show lobbyist.
[quote comment="19126"]The fact that this poll was done and is highlighted as newsworthy here is exactly why future “Lamonts” will continue to lose. (Need to point out that I was a Lamont supporter).
The battle is over, move on or lose the war.
Here’s a novel idea – MoveOn!
There is only so much personal, activist, and political energy a body can give – it is being wasted on things like this. “See, we were right!” means NOTHING!!! Focus your energies elsewhere. Whoever commissioned this poll wasted their money. Keep on preaching to that choir, but remember they can’t sing any louder.
In campaigns, there is only one thing you are guaranteed to run out of – time.
I liken this poll to one that may be found in People Magazine about whether or not Americans prefer Paris Hilton over Nicole Ritchie.[/quote]
I’d actually use your post as an example of why the Progressive movement is ALWAYS outdone by the corporatists, the theocrats, and the neo-conservatives. Because progressives see a lost battle and want to destroy the movement while conservatives see a lost battle and look to the next battle in order for their movement to succeed. It isn’t “hey see we were right” because that is a debate on policy not politics. It is a “hey look at the ground we’ve gained doesn’t the ground look even more fertile for the next crop of progressive candidates?”
DCT-
I believe we agree except for your statement about corporatists, theocrats and neocns. They are not the only people who are able to move onto the next battle – there are a lot of Democrats across the spectrum who have done this successfully for a long time, as well as moderate Republicans (BTW – a Republican in the Northeast may be to the left of a Democrat in more conservative states) and some third parties.
The only poll that counts is the one in November.
That’s when people know they have to live with their choices and they decide with a great more care and forethought than a telephone poll.
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